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		<title>Comment on On Lanchester&#8217;s Differential Equations and WWII: Modeling the Iwo Jima battle by EastwoodDC</title>
		<link>http://thepasqualian.com/?p=2088&#038;cpage=1#comment-89</link>
		<dc:creator>EastwoodDC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Aug 2010 15:00:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You are most welcome, and thank for the link!

I should have some references to other analyses of the Iwo Jima data, and probably the day-to-day troops levels too. Give me a few days (busy weekend!) and I&#039;ll try to post something relevant.

I&#039;ve been getting some &quot;500&quot; server errors when I try to load your blog. I&#039;m not sure what that means, but I thought I should let you know.

---Dan</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You are most welcome, and thank for the link!</p>
<p>I should have some references to other analyses of the Iwo Jima data, and probably the day-to-day troops levels too. Give me a few days (busy weekend!) and I&#8217;ll try to post something relevant.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve been getting some &#8220;500&#8243; server errors when I try to load your blog. I&#8217;m not sure what that means, but I thought I should let you know.</p>
<p>&#8212;Dan</p>
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		<title>Comment on On Lanchester&#8217;s Differential Equations and their Transform into a Markov Transition Matrix (or, the Markovization of the Lanchester Equations) by EastwoodDC</title>
		<link>http://thepasqualian.com/?p=2037&#038;cpage=1#comment-87</link>
		<dc:creator>EastwoodDC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Aug 2010 13:10:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That helps very much, and there is more here for me after I have a chance to process all you wrote. Thank you for taking the time to respond in such detail.
You answered what I most needed to know - that to get at what I really want will require a simulation. I feel a bit better that I knowing I wasn&#039;t missing out on some simple and obvious solution. Fortunately simulation is something I understand quite well, and I agree with your formulation.

I have some simple simulations set up in a spreadsheet, intended for a post on my blog, but I want to set up something a little better in R. The spreadsheet needs some more work before it&#039;s ready to share, but I&#039;ll show it to you when it&#039;s done.

Again, many thanks for this discussion. :-)
---Dan</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That helps very much, and there is more here for me after I have a chance to process all you wrote. Thank you for taking the time to respond in such detail.<br />
You answered what I most needed to know &#8211; that to get at what I really want will require a simulation. I feel a bit better that I knowing I wasn&#8217;t missing out on some simple and obvious solution. Fortunately simulation is something I understand quite well, and I agree with your formulation.</p>
<p>I have some simple simulations set up in a spreadsheet, intended for a post on my blog, but I want to set up something a little better in R. The spreadsheet needs some more work before it&#8217;s ready to share, but I&#8217;ll show it to you when it&#8217;s done.</p>
<p>Again, many thanks for this discussion. :-)<br />
&#8212;Dan</p>
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		<title>Comment on On Lanchester&#8217;s Differential Equations and their Transform into a Markov Transition Matrix (or, the Markovization of the Lanchester Equations) by Carlos</title>
		<link>http://thepasqualian.com/?p=2037&#038;cpage=1#comment-86</link>
		<dc:creator>Carlos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Aug 2010 06:10:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi!  The link you provided is actually very interesting: I&#039;ve been looking at the stochastic modeling part.  The approach there and my approach are completely different.  For example, I consider only three states or statuses: Alive (army X), Alive (army Y), and Dead.  The link you provided is (vastly) more complicated in that it considers [tex] N^2 [/tex] (countable because the Cartesian product of countable sets is countable) states, these being the actual outcome of the battle/intermediate and start states: say reds wins over greens with 5 units versus 0, this outcome would be in [tex] N^2 [/tex] as [tex] (5,0) [/tex].  Attached to each coordinate is a probability of transitioning to that state (and adjacent, &quot;downward&quot; states).  Statements (18) and (19) are meant to remind us that the Markov process is a time process, that there is a probability attached to each state, and that we can reach any final state in [tex] q [/tex] steps by going through an intermediate state in [tex] t [/tex] steps and then jumping to the final state in [tex] s [/tex] steps provided [tex] t + s = q [/tex] (Chapman-Kolmogorov equation), and that we can take tiny time steps to make the process continuous (in time).  Lastly, obviously we can&#039;t have an increasing path as we go from coordinate to coordinate because this means producing alive people from dead (i.e., the path is necessarily decreasing and absorbing into the x-coordinate or the y-coordinate or the origin).  It later describes how to build the transition matrix by giving an algorithm on how to attach a probability to each coordinate state (20).  Finally, the stochastic matrix can probably be calculated at its steady state by finding eigenvalues and using spectral decomposition-type approaches, I presume.

My approach: simpler! I don&#039;t consider the probability that [tex] (5,0) [/tex] is an outcome.  Rather, I consider the probability of being alive (in army X or army Y) at the next time-step.  This is easy because at the next time step we can calculate exactly how many people have died, from the actual differential equations (or approximate such).  However there&#039;s a problem, in that the matrix changes with time, which is an approach we don&#039;t usually take in the Markov treatment (the transition matrix is usually fixed in time, so that powers of such a matrix, another matrix, tells us the distribution of a start vector after a time step equal to the power of the matrix).  In my approach, we essentially have to drag the initial vector across a changing matrix, to obtain the trajectory of a start vector.  So perhaps it &lt;em&gt;is not&lt;/em&gt; a Markovian matrix after all (since we can only take powers of such if the time component drops out), but a discretization of the differential equations in a convenient (matrix) form, which I reasoned out thinking Markovianly.

As to the expected value and variance of the Markov model in the pdf you provided, I&#039;m not sure what you mean by it being a geometric distribution (but I did catch the reference to a geometric distribution when it talks about fractal models).  At worst, you can probably simulate the Markov model and calculate the expectation and variance, like this: pick a suitable bijection of the (allowable) coordinates to the positive integers (your new, y&#039;-axis, there may be a question about how to order them, perhaps, although my hunch is use a diagonal method?), and remember that there will be several absorbing states, namely [tex] m + n + 1 [/tex], where m reds and n greens are the start coordinates.  Pick a time step (1-unit), and let unit increases be your new x&#039;-axis (we want to visualize the actual Markov &lt;em&gt;process&lt;/em&gt;).  Next go to your start coordinate.  Run the model and see how it ends (in other words, get a realization of the process, it ends when it hits an absorbing state).  Calculate the expectation and variance (?) of the realization.  Repeat many times and review point-estimators to figure out how to make sense of this data.  

I don&#039;t recall actually seeing a treatment of expectation and variance of a Markov process, although I agree I should know it/investigate it further; the preoccupation is usually more about steady-state probabilities (in regular matrices, the higher-power matrices stabilize, which means that an initial vector will end up as a steady-vector at infinite steps of time).  Thus, since any vector will eventually result in the steady-state (for regular matrices anyway), the expectation &lt;em&gt;of the process&lt;/em&gt; (ensemble), as we take more and more (infinite) unit time steps, should be the inifinite-step probability steady-state vector dot the state vector (in other words, weigh the states by their respective steady probabilities).  This however, is different from what I think you mean; from this viewpoint, you are getting an expected state, the intermediate state of all paths, which may not be an end-state (an outcome of the process, or, who wins on average).  The variance &lt;em&gt;of the process&lt;/em&gt; can probably be as great or as small depending on your state space and on whether states communicate with each other, so it may be realization-dependent. (Hence why we don&#039;t usually talk about variance in this context).

Does this help??

I think the pdf is really interesting, I&#039;ll write a post with a simulation, it may make things clearer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi!  The link you provided is actually very interesting: I&#8217;ve been looking at the stochastic modeling part.  The approach there and my approach are completely different.  For example, I consider only three states or statuses: Alive (army X), Alive (army Y), and Dead.  The link you provided is (vastly) more complicated in that it considers <img src="http://thepasqualian.cjacobandco.com/wp-content/cache/tex_f770e60a37a0af6e85819bfe40bd7869.png" align="absmiddle" class="tex" alt=" N^2 " /> (countable because the Cartesian product of countable sets is countable) states, these being the actual outcome of the battle/intermediate and start states: say reds wins over greens with 5 units versus 0, this outcome would be in <img src="http://thepasqualian.cjacobandco.com/wp-content/cache/tex_f770e60a37a0af6e85819bfe40bd7869.png" align="absmiddle" class="tex" alt=" N^2 " /> as <img src="http://thepasqualian.cjacobandco.com/wp-content/cache/tex_fd6aacdf5809ffa370a5b7675cbdfd61.png" align="absmiddle" class="tex" alt=" (5,0) " />.  Attached to each coordinate is a probability of transitioning to that state (and adjacent, &#8220;downward&#8221; states).  Statements (18) and (19) are meant to remind us that the Markov process is a time process, that there is a probability attached to each state, and that we can reach any final state in <img src="http://thepasqualian.cjacobandco.com/wp-content/cache/tex_af72e5dc8af87a2580b23fbf92c543f6.png" align="absmiddle" class="tex" alt=" q " /> steps by going through an intermediate state in <img src="http://thepasqualian.cjacobandco.com/wp-content/cache/tex_2f76c9194ebc4dbee0c1614dbdfa3c25.png" align="absmiddle" class="tex" alt=" t " /> steps and then jumping to the final state in <img src="http://thepasqualian.cjacobandco.com/wp-content/cache/tex_793d6602f044affad0290fdc4f61ce36.png" align="absmiddle" class="tex" alt=" s " /> steps provided <img src="http://thepasqualian.cjacobandco.com/wp-content/cache/tex_849b2965e7dfa63343424db63d33b736.png" align="absmiddle" class="tex" alt=" t + s = q " /> (Chapman-Kolmogorov equation), and that we can take tiny time steps to make the process continuous (in time).  Lastly, obviously we can&#8217;t have an increasing path as we go from coordinate to coordinate because this means producing alive people from dead (i.e., the path is necessarily decreasing and absorbing into the x-coordinate or the y-coordinate or the origin).  It later describes how to build the transition matrix by giving an algorithm on how to attach a probability to each coordinate state (20).  Finally, the stochastic matrix can probably be calculated at its steady state by finding eigenvalues and using spectral decomposition-type approaches, I presume.</p>
<p>My approach: simpler! I don&#8217;t consider the probability that <img src="http://thepasqualian.cjacobandco.com/wp-content/cache/tex_fd6aacdf5809ffa370a5b7675cbdfd61.png" align="absmiddle" class="tex" alt=" (5,0) " /> is an outcome.  Rather, I consider the probability of being alive (in army X or army Y) at the next time-step.  This is easy because at the next time step we can calculate exactly how many people have died, from the actual differential equations (or approximate such).  However there&#8217;s a problem, in that the matrix changes with time, which is an approach we don&#8217;t usually take in the Markov treatment (the transition matrix is usually fixed in time, so that powers of such a matrix, another matrix, tells us the distribution of a start vector after a time step equal to the power of the matrix).  In my approach, we essentially have to drag the initial vector across a changing matrix, to obtain the trajectory of a start vector.  So perhaps it <em>is not</em> a Markovian matrix after all (since we can only take powers of such if the time component drops out), but a discretization of the differential equations in a convenient (matrix) form, which I reasoned out thinking Markovianly.</p>
<p>As to the expected value and variance of the Markov model in the pdf you provided, I&#8217;m not sure what you mean by it being a geometric distribution (but I did catch the reference to a geometric distribution when it talks about fractal models).  At worst, you can probably simulate the Markov model and calculate the expectation and variance, like this: pick a suitable bijection of the (allowable) coordinates to the positive integers (your new, y&#8217;-axis, there may be a question about how to order them, perhaps, although my hunch is use a diagonal method?), and remember that there will be several absorbing states, namely <img src="http://thepasqualian.cjacobandco.com/wp-content/cache/tex_4465f77ca639554ab5d3f04aa0988a4f.png" align="absmiddle" class="tex" alt=" m + n + 1 " />, where m reds and n greens are the start coordinates.  Pick a time step (1-unit), and let unit increases be your new x&#8217;-axis (we want to visualize the actual Markov <em>process</em>).  Next go to your start coordinate.  Run the model and see how it ends (in other words, get a realization of the process, it ends when it hits an absorbing state).  Calculate the expectation and variance (?) of the realization.  Repeat many times and review point-estimators to figure out how to make sense of this data.  </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t recall actually seeing a treatment of expectation and variance of a Markov process, although I agree I should know it/investigate it further; the preoccupation is usually more about steady-state probabilities (in regular matrices, the higher-power matrices stabilize, which means that an initial vector will end up as a steady-vector at infinite steps of time).  Thus, since any vector will eventually result in the steady-state (for regular matrices anyway), the expectation <em>of the process</em> (ensemble), as we take more and more (infinite) unit time steps, should be the inifinite-step probability steady-state vector dot the state vector (in other words, weigh the states by their respective steady probabilities).  This however, is different from what I think you mean; from this viewpoint, you are getting an expected state, the intermediate state of all paths, which may not be an end-state (an outcome of the process, or, who wins on average).  The variance <em>of the process</em> can probably be as great or as small depending on your state space and on whether states communicate with each other, so it may be realization-dependent. (Hence why we don&#8217;t usually talk about variance in this context).</p>
<p>Does this help??</p>
<p>I think the pdf is really interesting, I&#8217;ll write a post with a simulation, it may make things clearer.</p>
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		<title>Comment on On Lanchester&#8217;s Differential Equations and their Transform into a Markov Transition Matrix (or, the Markovization of the Lanchester Equations) by EastwoodDC</title>
		<link>http://thepasqualian.com/?p=2037&#038;cpage=1#comment-85</link>
		<dc:creator>EastwoodDC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Aug 2010 03:52:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I knew that you didn&#039;t get exactly the same (expected) result between the two representations, and approximation error could easily be the difference. 

If I were to ask for help, it would be in calculating the variance of a Markov model. For instance, what is the variability of the results in the SIR model (on the model above). A nagging voice in my head tells me this ought to be analogous to calculating the variance of the geometric distribution, and therefore something I could do if I understood more about Markov chains. On the other hand, the variance at a given time will be dependent on the previous time, leading to a distribution of all possible outcomes at time &lt;b&gt;t&lt;/b&gt;, and that seems like it might be a much harder problem. 

Now that I&#039;ve written all this, I&#039;m beginning to see I may be misunderstanding what you have really done in the Markovization above, which may render my question meaningless.  I should study! :-)

If this is of any interest to you, here is a link to a fairly recent paper on Lanchester attrition models, which also gives a Markov version of the model:
http://dspace.dsto.defence.gov.au/dspace/bitstream/1947/4233/1/DSTO-TR-1822%20PR.pdf
I also find this paper much more readable than most of the other literature on the topic.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I knew that you didn&#8217;t get exactly the same (expected) result between the two representations, and approximation error could easily be the difference. </p>
<p>If I were to ask for help, it would be in calculating the variance of a Markov model. For instance, what is the variability of the results in the SIR model (on the model above). A nagging voice in my head tells me this ought to be analogous to calculating the variance of the geometric distribution, and therefore something I could do if I understood more about Markov chains. On the other hand, the variance at a given time will be dependent on the previous time, leading to a distribution of all possible outcomes at time <b>t</b>, and that seems like it might be a much harder problem. </p>
<p>Now that I&#8217;ve written all this, I&#8217;m beginning to see I may be misunderstanding what you have really done in the Markovization above, which may render my question meaningless.  I should study! :-)</p>
<p>If this is of any interest to you, here is a link to a fairly recent paper on Lanchester attrition models, which also gives a Markov version of the model:<br />
<a href="http://dspace.dsto.defence.gov.au/dspace/bitstream/1947/4233/1/DSTO-TR-1822%20PR.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://dspace.dsto.defence.gov.au/dspace/bitstream/1947/4233/1/DSTO-TR-1822%20PR.pdf</a><br />
I also find this paper much more readable than most of the other literature on the topic.</p>
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		<link>http://thepasqualian.com/?p=2037&#038;cpage=1#comment-84</link>
		<dc:creator>Carlos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Aug 2010 21:43:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you! I&#039;ll take a look at yours too and add you to my blogroll as well.  Perhaps you&#039;ll be interested to know then that, since this method I talk about here is Euler-approximation based, the further you are from the initial conditions (say, by n time-steps), the error grows as 1/n (the error on the probability/proportion trajectory, that is).  I&#039;ve written a bit about it on the SIR posts, more specifically &lt;a href=&quot;http://thepasqualian.com/?p=2006&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt; and &lt;a href=&quot;http://thepasqualian.com/?p=1862&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;.  Rigor can be added by researching Euler&#039;s method proper.  :)  Let me know if I can be of help!  Markov chains are a topic that currently greatly interest me!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you! I&#8217;ll take a look at yours too and add you to my blogroll as well.  Perhaps you&#8217;ll be interested to know then that, since this method I talk about here is Euler-approximation based, the further you are from the initial conditions (say, by n time-steps), the error grows as 1/n (the error on the probability/proportion trajectory, that is).  I&#8217;ve written a bit about it on the SIR posts, more specifically <a href="http://thepasqualian.com/?p=2006" rel="nofollow">here</a> and <a href="http://thepasqualian.com/?p=1862" rel="nofollow">here</a>.  Rigor can be added by researching Euler&#8217;s method proper.  :)  Let me know if I can be of help!  Markov chains are a topic that currently greatly interest me!</p>
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		<link>http://thepasqualian.com/?p=2037&#038;cpage=1#comment-83</link>
		<dc:creator>EastwoodDC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Aug 2010 21:09:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt;I hope you’ll let me know what your project is all about!

Gladly! :-)
Recently I&#039;ve been writing about Lanchester&#039;s Laws, and I have been wanting to show the Markov or probability based version to demonstrate the inherent uncertainty of the results of this sort of prediction. I could do this demonstration in a spreadsheet, but I knew there had to be a more rigorous way to show it. I&#039;ll use this to better understand the games I like play, and maybe (eventually) to help design a game of my own. 

More generally, I&#039;m a biostatistician and wargamer with a hobby interest in the mathematics of games, which is the general topic of my blog. I&#039;m pretty good at applied math and stats, but my education is lacking on some topics and I&#039;ve never been great at theory. I can read the journals though (and math blogs!) , so I search for others writing about related topics to fill the gaps in my own knowledge.

I now have you on my RSS feed, added to my blog roll, and I&#039;ll be linking to this in an upcoming blog post. No doubt you will be see more of me in the future. :-)
---Dan</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt;I hope you’ll let me know what your project is all about!</p>
<p>Gladly! :-)<br />
Recently I&#8217;ve been writing about Lanchester&#8217;s Laws, and I have been wanting to show the Markov or probability based version to demonstrate the inherent uncertainty of the results of this sort of prediction. I could do this demonstration in a spreadsheet, but I knew there had to be a more rigorous way to show it. I&#8217;ll use this to better understand the games I like play, and maybe (eventually) to help design a game of my own. </p>
<p>More generally, I&#8217;m a biostatistician and wargamer with a hobby interest in the mathematics of games, which is the general topic of my blog. I&#8217;m pretty good at applied math and stats, but my education is lacking on some topics and I&#8217;ve never been great at theory. I can read the journals though (and math blogs!) , so I search for others writing about related topics to fill the gaps in my own knowledge.</p>
<p>I now have you on my RSS feed, added to my blog roll, and I&#8217;ll be linking to this in an upcoming blog post. No doubt you will be see more of me in the future. :-)<br />
&#8212;Dan</p>
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		<dc:creator>Carlos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Aug 2010 15:30:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m so glad it&#039;s useful! :)  I hope you&#039;ll let me know what your project is all about!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m so glad it&#8217;s useful! :)  I hope you&#8217;ll let me know what your project is all about!!</p>
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		<link>http://thepasqualian.com/?p=2037&#038;cpage=1#comment-81</link>
		<dc:creator>EastwoodDC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Aug 2010 13:37:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for this! I&#039;ve been working around the edges trying to figure this out, but I&#039;m weak in DE and Markov theory, so I haven&#039;t been making much progress. Given your example as a pattern I might be able to work out the Markov form of the &quot;Linear&quot; Lanchester equations for myself.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for this! I&#8217;ve been working around the edges trying to figure this out, but I&#8217;m weak in DE and Markov theory, so I haven&#8217;t been making much progress. Given your example as a pattern I might be able to work out the Markov form of the &#8220;Linear&#8221; Lanchester equations for myself.</p>
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		<link>http://thepasqualian.com/?p=1831&#038;cpage=1#comment-74</link>
		<dc:creator>Elisa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 May 2010 18:20:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nah,  he&#039;s gyring in the wabe!</description>
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		<dc:creator>Carlos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jan 2010 16:40:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, I do indeed have a couple of typos in that sentence.  They have been fixed!  Thanks for keeping an eye out for them.</description>
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